Ea pulls Crysis 2 from Steam?

[Paratech]

There seems to be a big discussion on Steam as Crysis 2 no longer shows up in the store, so while this hasn't been confirmed, does anyone think EA is going to be pulling games from Steam? and if so what will happen to customers who own Crysis 2? Will it mean no updates, etc? Will other games be pulled?

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[masta.g.86]

It's pretty much no secret that EA loathes Steam. Well, that's the impression that I and many others seem to believe, anyway.

There have been several occasions where EA would withhold releasing a game they hold the rights to by several weeks or several months to, supposedly, rake in additional profits by avoiding the Steam network licensing fee for that game.

Some patches are withheld for long periods of time while users that bought on disc or via EA's store already have the patch. To further add to the madness, most EA games have all of their files version locked. By doing this, games you attempt to manually update with a patch directly from the EA website will instead fail authentication and redownload the outdated files on the Steam servers, downgrading the game back to the version you just tried to update from.

Some people speculate that these are all attempts by EA to try and make Steam look bad while making their own EA Store seem more attractive.

Maybe pulling Crysis 2 is just more shinannigans from the "lovable" EA.

Worst case scenario: EA blames Steams for *something* (probably financially related) and then extends a hand of "goodwill" out to the customers that bought Crysis 2, letting them transfer their game key to the EA Store.

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[Phil]

EA has to get their act together on that front..

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[Princess Garnet]

EA is a publisher. It acts as the middle man (and a very greedy one) between the developer and the customer. Steam itself a middle man. Therefore, EA doesn't really want anything to do with them if they can help it. The only reason we saw them release stuff on Steam was likely to give in and get something rather than nothing, or, that was the guess at the time. Now, it seems they were testing digital distribution, and now that they're done so, they're probably going to cut off from Steam and go with their own.

Originally Posted by masta.g.86

Worst case scenario: EA blames Steams for *something* (probably financially related) and then extends a hand of "goodwill" out to the customers that bought Crysis 2, letting them transfer their game key to the EA Store.

You can already do that anyway, most of the time anyway. That'll be poor consolation.

At least, I think you can. I've been able to With The Sims 3 that I got on Direct 2 Drive and Steam, as well as my Steam copies of Red Alert 3, Command & Conquer 3, Command & Conquer 4, Mass Effect 2, and Shank.

A few games I couldn't do this with, namely because Steam doesn't show/provide the product key for (like Mirror's Edge and Dead Space), or it just doesn't accept the product key from some games/versions (like The Sims 2 from Direct 2 Drive, and Command & Conquer 3 could be activated, but not the expansion pack from Steam, same with Crysis and Crysis Warhead).

Anyway, last time a game was pulled (I can't remember which one, but it happened to another, and it wasn't an EA game), I think it only stopped future purchases of it, but current owners still retained it. Whether they were able to get patches or not, I don't know, so they may have been left in the dark.

If they do this with The Sims 3, or withhold releasing any future The Sims 3 expansions, I will be incredibly upset! I rebought the entire series when it was on sale to have it on Steam!

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

With Origin announced it was only a matter of time.

Origin is nothing new really. It was already there, just sans the Friends and called EA Download Manger.

Origin (and EA Download Manager before it) does have one nice aspect about it versus Steam. It is a client much like Steam, but it does not have to be running to play your games like Steam, at least as of now this if how it works. It could change (and the more I think of it, I think it may, since it's going from a Download Manager to a game client). In that regard, it acts ONLY as a download Manager and messenger/networking hub, but not DRM (again, for now).

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Originally Posted by Phil

EA has to get their act together on that front..

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And stop releasing s@#%ty games like Crysis at that too!

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[masta.g.86]

Hey now. Don't be hatin'.

Crysis is the best tech demo / PC gaming benchmark evar.

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Originally Posted by masta.g.86

Hey now. Don't be hatin'.

Crysis is the best tech demo / PC gaming benchmark evar.

Gfx is all that game has. Still an overrated pile of s@#% if you ask me, just like most games are these days.

EDIT: Sorry, I'm derailing the thread. Please, carry on.

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Originally Posted by blueshogun96

Gfx is all that game has. Still an overrated pile of s@#% if you ask me, just like most games are these days.

EDIT: Sorry, I'm derailing the thread. Please, carry on.

Well, I was being sarcastic. Note especially that I didn't refer to it as a game.

There were quite a few moments that had me asking myself, "Why is this happening? Why am I being shown this cinematic scene with all this eyecandy? What's up with this zero-G level?" It all just felt like a tech demo made into a game to showcase what their game engine can do.

Though despite this, I think Crysis is good in a sense that it makes use of PC gaming's strengths and showcases them very well. Not just on the side of graphics, but also in that the game is highly moddable. Working with the Cryengine editor is frikkin' sweet. Only UnrealEd is better than it, imho.

Same deal for me with Oblivion, Fallout 3, and New Vegas. If it wasn't for a very active modding community within those games, I probably would never have cared too much for them at all.

Now that I think about it, I really started to get into PC gaming after I played Doom. Not so much because of the game itself, but because it's just so moddable. Followed up by later games that were extremely mod friendly like Duke3D, Quake, and Unreal and I was sold.

OT: Anyone remember that new Alice game that was coming out? It came out yesterday. EA is the publisher. Guess which downloadable platform it isn't out for.

I guess EA has really made its move and is bidding that their own platform or at least the other platforms besides Steam will attract gamers. Sad, really. I was looking forward to Mass Effect 3. Oh well. There are still plenty of unexplored worlds in Star Control II and I don't need to play through 3 iterations of a series to complete what is essentially just a more cinematic version of the same game with differently named alien races.

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[Phil]

It's the best tech Demo with nice shadows!

I see a possible wall of text coming....

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[lagunareturns]

i dont know if you heard but game devs and publisher websites are getting hacked like codemasters, square-enix and bethesda.... why wont the hackers do some payback and hack the draconian ea...

also i know for a fact crysis remained as a tec demo (the devs have planned to have much more content, as the original plan did contain a part of the city area from crysis 2 where you see dead bodies piled up, but this time they werent static and had to pushed aside and thrown about to go to the next area) as it was rushed out by ea, with their strict release date... same with farcry 2....

[Noja87]

BF3 will be origin exclusive too. And dont even think on buying a retail copy. You will still need origin. Activision will most likely fallow making all CODs exclusive to their service too. This is stupid in so many ways.

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[Hyuga]

Hmm, one digital platform is enough, why add up more? So my computer boots up and I'm going to have to wait till Steam, Origins, GFWL, Activision's service and who knows what else (Ubisoft?) to start up before I can play my games? I'm fine with online activation, but I refuse to run 17 services in the background just to be able to play the game I bought. Oh sorry, I bought a license to play the game on my PC, not the game. And they wonder why the pirates are always ahead when they focus to make a legitimate user's life as hard as possible.

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[Princess Garnet]

How quick we forget that Steam started out the same way. How quick we ignore that Steam still does this sort of thing itself by way of some games, like physical retail ones, requiring it (of course, that's not directly Steam/Valve's fault, rather the developers).

I'm a big fan of Steam, as it's a great service and they do alot right, but there's still alot of bias here, and Steam is far from perfect as well (besides being guilty of this same sort of thing, let's not even mention their support...).

Origin, as a service so far, doesn't seem that bad, so I can't speak bad about it. As of now, at least, Origin doesn't have to run (unlike Steam), so it's more of a download manager/library and networking client than DRM (although requiring it to begin with makes it DRM I suppose).

The one thing I do agree with is that having numerous clients/download managers/whatnot installed and/or running is more of an inconvenience. Steam was already there, and was a great service, so it became my preference. I can, however, overlook my preference and see alot of hypocrisy in alot of the reasons themselves for the complaining.

Originally Posted by blueshogun96

Gfx is all that game has. Still an overrated pile of s@#% if you ask me, just like most games are these days.

I'm sorry, if you want a more instant gratification experience in your gaming, the console types are more for you.

The gameplay was there. You just needed some imagination to use it. You didn't like the gamplay? Oh, okay, that's fine. It wasn't for you. However, don't say something is nonexistence because it doesn't appeal to you and overplay it's technical/visual lean as all it has because you are going to be intolerant of something you don't like. It was a graphical emphasizing piece of hype, but there was a game buried there too.

I'm not calling the game perfect by any means (there's alot of things you could say about it), but regarding the complaint of the game being just visuals, I think it's rather the intolerant and narrow-minded people who can't see passed that.

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[Dynamo]

Well, by what you said I'd have to say it was overrated as well. (At least by reviewers) Giving bonus points in areas that are lacking due to it being a showpiece. I wouldn't say it's a pile of **** though.

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Originally Posted by Princess Garnet

How quick we forget that Steam started out the same way. How quick we ignore that Steam still does this sort of thing itself by way of some games, like physical retail ones, requiring it (of course, that's not directly Steam/Valve's fault, rather the developers).

I'm a big fan of Steam, as it's a great service and they do alot right, but there's still alot of bias here, and Steam is far from perfect as well (besides being guilty of this same sort of thing, let's not even mention their support...).

Origin, as a service so far, doesn't seem that bad, so I can't speak bad about it. As of now, at least, Origin doesn't have to run (unlike Steam), so it's more of a download manager/library and networking client than DRM (although requiring it to begin with makes it DRM I suppose).

The one thing I do agree with is that having numerous clients/download managers/whatnot installed and/or running is more of an inconvenience. Steam was already there, and was a great service, so it became my preference. I can, however, overlook my preference and see alot of hypocrisy in alot of the reasons themselves for the complaining.

Steam won. EA shouldn't be rocking the boat just cuz they're jelaous, they need to accept it and concentrate on more important matters.

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Originally Posted by Dynamo

I guess it's important to deactivate anything on PC before making those kind of changes. It's strange they are so vague on how this stuff works.

That's another thing, is that you can't deactivate it many times. The options/tools aren't provided/released, and if they are, you may not even know of it. In the case of Crysis on Steam, you can't deactivate it, and they even said they'd make it so you could, but never did. They did with Crysis Warhead though.

Valve should have a stance against letting games with DRM in them, at least install limits, as allowable. Steam itself is DRM, so more is just redundant, and besides, it reflects badly on them because one of the selling points of Steam is the ability to just download and play, and on any PC.

Originally Posted by SCHUMI_4EVER

Steam won. EA shouldn't be rocking the boat just cuz they're jelaous, they need to accept it and concentrate on more important matters.

You completely ignored the points I made and responded to a point I never made.

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