Microsoft to lose $1.1 billion on Xbox

[Alias]

sucks for microsoft, looks like they didn't plan it too well. I wonder how they thought they'd make any money on that thing. It must have something to do with the fact of microsoft trying to own every market. Looks like they were bit back hahaha.

http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2872320,00.html

[Esturk]

Personally I'd like to see Microsoft just give up the X-Box. It's not really their "forte".

[Phoenix]

even though the consoles are manufactured here in Flextronics Mexico and haven't released to public in Mexico just imagine that. What else can they do to recover a bit of the investment. Just didn't work out

[Ninjaa]

Christ, why don't they just cut their losses and make us all happy?

[Alias]

cuz it will make them look bad. If microsoft just drops the xbox, consumers won't have faith in micorsoft's other endeavors. So they have to stick with it until it truly truly dies. In my opinion, microsoft should've just not been so greedy and left well enough alone.

[Ninjaa]

But it would look a lot better for them if they knew when to pull out, rather than tarnish their name with a massively failed console. I just don't get it.

[Alias]

maybe in your opinion since you dont' own an xbox (making you in the smarter majority) but for those who actually DO own an xbox, they'll probably won't think of it as a good move.

[Esturk]

I'm sure if Microsoft drops X-Box they will be fine. Especially with Windows XP being as great as it is.

[Quatro]

Microsoft shouldn't have entered the console scene... it's like playing a rookie team versus the battletested and experience veterans on the hard court.

[Shiori]

But they have MONEY. And when you have the bling-bling, you can pretty much do anything you want. ;)

[Kane]

Originally posted by Quatro
Microsoft shouldn't have entered the console scene... it's like playing a rookie team versus the battletested and experience veterans on the hard court. The same could have been said about Sony with the PSX

[Syed Fawad]

Yeah and PSX excelled after around two years. But there was nothing like a PS2 back then. Or a GC.

[Kane]

The Saturn was about, as was the N64 after a bit.

[Ninjaa]

The PSX only succeeded because it was better than the alternatives for developers. N64 was cartridge based, and the Saturn.... well, I don't know. It was Sega maybe?

But the PSX was developed in part by Nintendo, and there is no question that the console was based on the SNES. In that sense, the PSX was the spiritual successor to the SNES.

Xbox has none of this, and MS just hoped that they could buy their way into the market. That just didn't happen. (Thank god)

[Alias]

it was because the saturn was a serious female dog (no cursing rite? :p) to program for ALMOST as hard as the ps2 is. Unfortunately, saturn didn't have the popularity that the ps2 currently has, so no developder felt forced to develop for it. It's strange right? Sega, nintendo, and even microsfot knew of the importance of ease of use toward developers, but sony really dropped the ball.

[Kane]

The Saturn had hure amounts of parallel processing, which developers used the PC architecture didn't really like that much :p
Sony decided to go that route, as it allowed a more powerful machine, and believed they had enough developer support.

[Samor]

besides that, the games. While many hardcore gamers appreciated the 2D stuff on the saturn, the majority of people preferred the PSX with it's 3D eyecandy. (sure, saturn could do 3D, but was more geared towards 2D gaming)
And PSX also outlived DC, thanks to Sega's bad marketing.

[Exophase]

But the PSX was developed in part by Nintendo, and there is no question that the console was based on the SNES. In that sense, the PSX was the spiritual successor to the SNES.

There's no way Nintendo had any part in designing any of the PSX hardware, regardless of whatever "deals" Sony and Nintendo had in the system prior to that point.

- Exo

[Alias]

that's true, the psx can't be the "spiritual successor to the snes" because all nintendo did was ask sony to build the machine. Sony most likely scrapped all their plans when nintendo dissed them, or altereted everything enough so they woudln't have to pay for royalties. There's no way if the psx was helped along by nintendo at all that nintendo would just sit back as all the money just flowed into sony.

[Carmofin]

Originally posted by Ninja
But the PSX was developed in part by Nintendo, and there is no question that the console was based on the SNES. In that sense, the PSX was the spiritual successor to the SNES.
you know, THIS one was pathetic :p
seriously

[Kane]

I really think there has got to be a limit to being a fanboy. Claiming that Sony's hardware is Nintendo's (effectively) is really pushing it man.

[Ninjaa]

hmmm.... I still think that it is the spiritual successor to the SNES. The hardware is obviously not Nintendo made (it breaks and/or freezes every 5 to 20 minutes). But the fact remains that a few of Nintendo's 3rd parties started eyeing the machine while it was still under Nintendo control, and that began to pave the way for Sony. The Playstation was still a continuation of the SNES addon. It had just been seriously reworked.

If you are interested in knowing how the deal went down, here's a link.

http://psx.ign.com/articles/060/060188p1.html

[Samor]

nice article. it talks about a failed MSX chip. Funny. MSX wasnt a chip, but a computer. Z80 was the chip in it. Ignorant folks at ign. =P
Sony made various MSX models, just like other companies (like Panasonic and Philips). MSX died eventually yeah, but lasted till after the 80's even.
Also, I think they made a few errors with the timeline. On top of that, they're looking solely at the american picture (as usual) and forget that sega's master system was actually very popular in other regions.
dubious article.

[Exophase]

Originally posted by Ninja
hmmm.... I still think that it is the spiritual successor to the SNES. The hardware is obviously not Nintendo made (it breaks and/or freezes every 5 to 20 minutes). But the fact remains that a few of Nintendo's 3rd parties started eyeing the machine while it was still under Nintendo control, and that began to pave the way for Sony. The Playstation was still a continuation of the SNES addon. It had just been seriously reworked.

If you are interested in knowing how the deal went down, here's a link.

http://psx.ign.com/articles/060/060188p1.html

Okay, nothing I don't know here. YOU said the PSX was developed partially by Nintendo. This is just a dirty lie. It doesn't matter if it was a continuation of an SNES addon, which is likely mostly not very true in the physical sense, anyway. PSX was never, in any way, Nintendo developed. The machine shares NOTHING in common with previous Nintendo hardware, except perhaps that it has an audio chip capable of utilizing digital samples as the SNES does. Which comes as little surprise since Sony developed the SPC700.

5-20 minutes is a very extreme exaggeration.... but I can't say I expect anything but trite comments like this from the master fanboy himself :P

- Exo

[Kane]

You use IGN as a source for reliable information? :rolleyes:

[Syed Fawad]

Why not?

I find it quite accurate, but again I only check reviews and release dates.

[Kane]

I distrust them for hardware information.

[Exophase]

It was good enough for the Joshua doc to rip off :(

- Exo

[Esturk]

I don't read any of that unreliable crap. I just go down to my local dealer and ask them when they're getting something in.

[RF]

I think M$ should just stop, ride it untill their horse collapses. Then work out all the bugs for everything they have produced. God knows there is enough bugs. :D

[Ninjaa]

I used IGN as my source because it was the first article I could find on how it happened that agreed with the common story of how it happened.

Exophase, of course 5 - 20 minutes is an exxageration when taken as a basic experience, but it is quite accurate description when taking it into account as an average. I know that I have used just about every trick in the book to get it to read a small scratch in the CD. ;)

[Exophase]

I used IGN as my source because it was the first article I could find on how it happened that agreed with the common story of how it happened.

Ah, I understand. It was the first site you could find that agreed with you. *cough*biased*cough* :D

Exophase, of course 5 - 20 minutes is an exxageration when taken as a basic experience, but it is quite accurate description when taking it into account as an average. I know that I have used just about every trick in the book to get it to read a small scratch in the CD. ;)

That doesn't mean that it breaks down every 5 - 20 minutes or whatever just because it has a hard time with bad CD's. Primarily the problems I've had are with CD's from rental places (that have taken a lot of wear and tear), my own CD's have always been fine.

- Exo

[RZetlin]

I don't know why anybody is surprised that Microsoft is losing money on the Xbox.

The Xbox difficulties were predicted before the console was even launched.

Microsoft had close to zero Japanese development support.

Of course Microsoft was stupid enough to code name the Xbox as "Project Midway" which guarantees no support from the Japanese developers.

Microsoft has no idea on how to address the markets outside of America.

Microsoft tired to sell Halo to the Japanese, which the majority of them have no interest in FPS in the past.

After producing one or two killer apps at the console launch, Microsoft failed to keep pumping out the A+ video game titles.

Now Microsoft is in a bit of a pickle. They won’t stop selling the Xbox because their pride is on the line. So they will continue throwing money down the hole hoping the problem will solve itself.

[Ninjaa]

I think that the people who bought the Xbox deserve to have the console fail. the only real life people I know who have Xbox's are the clinically retarded. But that's a whole other story.

Exophase, that story came from IGNPSX. How can you call that biased? It's the most truthful version of the story I know. If you would like, I can show you the biased versions, but that version seems to contain the most neutrality. If you can do better, I would like to see it. As far as the games are concerned, the first PSX game I played was FF7. The CD had a small scratch in it, and I could not get past the scene at the end of the second reactor. I played with the CD for about 3 hours straight. (Can you tell that I am a hardcore gamer? ;))

[fivefeet8]

I am sorta beginning to have some interest in the Xbox.. Because of this game..


Panzer Dragoon Orta..

[Syed Fawad]

What's good besides the graphics?

[Alias]

u've never played panzer dragoon at all? IMHO it's one of the best shooters ever (and one of the few reasons to own a saturn). I don't kno why sega is giving its high profile games to xbox... they'd fit much better on ps2 and/or gamecube (systems that don't suck... haha okay im biased). The only thing is that the original team that made the panzer series, andromeda (or sumthing like dat) is history. However, the developers of PDO for the xbox are the same ones that made JSRF and crazy taxi (i think... well i kno they made the high profile games for dreamcast). Therefore, it;s almost assured that the game will be good.

[RZetlin]

Welll Sakura Taisen has just been announced for the PS2.

This pretty much seals my commitment to the PS2.

[fivefeet8]

Originally posted by Alias
The only thing is that the original team that made the panzer series, andromeda (or sumthing like dat) is history. However, the developers of PDO for the xbox are the same ones that made JSRF and crazy taxi (i think... well i kno they made the high profile games for dreamcast). Therefore, it;s almost assured that the game will be good.

Actually, there are quite a few X team Andromeda members that are either making the game or helping out in some way with development.. :)

BTW.. Toe Jam and Earl is also headed for Xbox..

[Ninjaa]

The only Xbox games I would be interested in are Shenmue and the single RPG being made for the system. (It actually sounds kind of cool).

Still, I could really care less about those games when viewing the grand picture. GameCube is getting better Sega games IMO. Skies of Aracadia, Sonic, and Monkey Ball are not to be scoffed at.

[Exophase]

I wonder who's getting Shenmue 3...

- Exo

[Ninjaa]

Well, Sega hasn't been that supportive of the PS2. I would probably say Xbox if it survives that long, and GameCube if it doesn't.

[Exophase]

Survives that long.. well it's in production.. there are those screens somewhere.... fwiw the people behind Shenmue are also behind Virtua Fighter (VF4 = PS2)

- Exo

[Ninjaa]

Well, Sonic Team loves the GameCube, and that has to count for something. Nobody really likes the PS2 all that much (development wise). But this is still entirely hypothetical.

[Exophase]

Whatever you say, Ninja. :rolleyes:

- Exo

[Syed Fawad]

I'll be more than just happy if Shenmue 3 comes out on PS2. I am currently playing Shenmue 1 on the DC and man this game is of really high quality. Is Shenmue 2 available on DC or not?

[Ninjaa]

I think it only came out in Japan. :(

[Exophase]

It came out in the UK, English subtitles. With a proper bootdisk (and Gameshark? I don't know the specifics) you can play it on a US DC. I know people who've imported it and beat it. In fact, I think even some Electronics Boutiques carry it and a kit to get it going.

- Exo

[Syed Fawad]

Man I have a UK DC, this means that I can play it? only if I can find it :(

[Alias]

i doubt shenmue 3 will come out on the ps2. It all depends how shenmue 2 does on the xbox... if it does well, then shenmue 3 will probably come out on the xbox... if it doesn't, i dunno... mebbe ps2 will have a better chance of getting it than gamecube.

[Sir_Paul]

Sega had plenty of time to improve and add more stuff to shenmue 2x but all what has happend is that they have just ported it, they probably did this so they have their own choice for the console.

[Hanamichi]

Originally posted by RZetlin
I don't know why anybody is surprised that Microsoft is losing money on the Xbox.

Who's surprised ? :p

Well it seems that XBox is going to get some cool games. But even so, they still need to fix that disc scratching problem. Who's going to buy a console that will only run a disc a few times ?

[Alias]

it was a bad idea for microsoft to just use off the shelf parts because they can't control the costs of manufacturing the console as well as sony and nintendo can. Sony and nintendo can redesign their chips easily because they basically own them (yes i kno that other people manufacter them, but since they own it, they control how they're made) with the xbox, basically intel and nvidia own the xbox muscle, and thus design/ cost. That's why they're losing so much money.

[RZetlin]

Originally posted by Alias
it was a bad idea for microsoft to just use off the shelf parts because they can't control the costs of manufacturing the console as well as sony and nintendo can. Sony and nintendo can redesign their chips easily because they basically own them (yes i kno that other people manufacter them, but since they own it, they control how they're made) with the xbox, basically intel and nvidia own the xbox muscle, and thus design/ cost. That's why they're losing so much money.

I can understand why Microsoft used off the shelf parts.

By using existing parts, Microsoft doesn't have to invest in R&D to create new parts from scratch.

Microsoft can create the prototype Xbox faster from the existing parts.

Though at the end, Microsoft is losing money instead of making money.

[Alias]

actually microsoft paid nvidia heavily to research not only a special xbox variant of the NV20, but also the southbridge/northbridge chip of the xbox with hyper transport and the 6.1 dolby digital decoder. Nvidia, however, was smart to make sure they were in control of the patent which allowed Nvidia to also make the nforce motherboards. How's that for win win situation, microsoft paid for nvidia to make mad money not only on xbox but also on the atlhon motherboards.

[Esturk]

The X-Box is a nice machine but the games suck. The controllers are big and heavy as is the console itself. I guess that is bacause it is basically a computer.

[Syed Fawad]

The gamepad and the cconsole aren't that bad, and they could have been neglected for their large size, only if the games on XBOX were cool, or there were more cool games on it.

[Ninjaa]

The Gamepad is uncool, the console is uncool, the price is uncool, the games are uncool, and the manufacturer is uncool.

Now will someone explain why the Xbox is losing money? :D

[Syed Fawad]

Eh.....they need a refrigerator?

[Exophase]

Originally posted by Ninja
The Gamepad is uncool, the console is uncool, the price is uncool, the games are uncool, and the manufacturer is uncool.

Now will someone explain why the Xbox is losing money? :D

I'd concur on most of those but what's wrong with the price?

- Exo

[Ninjaa]

It's the same as the PS2's. ;) way overpriced if you ask me.

[Syed Fawad]

The price of console won't matter, if the software prices are cut. Even if the PS2 is sold for 300$ and its software costs 10-25$, I'll be more happy.

[Exophase]

The extra $50 the PS2 and XBox cost in comparison to the GCN is clearly made up by the ability of both to play DVD's. How can you say XBox is overpriced when MS is selling the hardware at a terrible loss?

- Exo

[Syed Fawad]

We don't want to bother about their losses, we are concerned about our gains !

And if anyone can keep us happy as well as himself happy, he rules; more like nintendo.

If someone can keep us happy but suffers himself a little, he too can rule; like Sony

If someone can neither keep us happy nor himself, he is Microsoft.

[Esturk]

Microsoft keeps me happy with Windows. Xbox does not make me happy.

[Exophase]

But we're talking about hardware here. I'm not saying the XBox is a good buy, but hardware-wise I don't see why it wouldn't be worth the money. Especially once it's Linuxified.

- Exo

[Ninjaa]

Xbox is worth the money for the hardware, don't get me wrong, it's just that the games are hardly attractive, making the hardware worthless. I don't care if the hardware is being sold at a great loss, it's the games that count. What good is an Xbox if it has no good games?

And seriously, why would anyone want to play a DVD on their console anyway? Isn't that what a DVD player is for? O_o? (The Panasonic Q is a different case in that it is just the coolest thing you ever layed eyes on, and is a quality DVD player in itself. (Quite unlike the PS2))

[Exophase]

Originally posted by Ninja
Xbox is worth the money for the hardware, don't get me wrong, it's just that the games are hardly attractive, making the hardware worthless. I don't care if the hardware is being sold at a great loss, it's the games that count. What good is an Xbox if it has no good games?

And seriously, why would anyone want to play a DVD on their console anyway? Isn't that what a DVD player is for? O_o? (The Panasonic Q is a different case in that it is just the coolest thing you ever layed eyes on, and is a quality DVD player in itself. (Quite unlike the PS2))

I play DVD's on my PS2 because I can't AFFORD a dedicated DVD player, unlike rich snobs like you whose answer to console wars is to buy everything :mad: PS2 might not be a great DVD player but the price is right for the game system and a DVD player together. I think the real question is who judges hardware based on how it LOOKS? That's gotta be the stupidest thing to consider when buying something.

XBox hardware isn't worthless if it becomes a viable development platform. Which is inevitable, especially with the money being awarded for advancements in this area. Plus XBox selling at a loss always means MS losing money :P

I wonder if you can use the XBox RAM as normal DDR400 in a PC....

- Exo

[Ninjaa]

I am not rich. I live in a corner of the basement, and the only valuable things I have are my GameCube and my PC. I walk everywhere because my car died on me, and I work at a fast food restaurant.

My DVD playback comes from a DVD ROM I acquired for $50. I assure you it does the job much better than a PS2. The way I figure it, I can buy a GameCube and a DVD player for the cost of a PS2 or Xbox. Why not? I am getting the better deal both ways. ;)

[Exophase]

I wish I had a car. :(

- Exo

[Syed Fawad]

I bought the PS2:

Not Because it was a DVD player
Not Because it was an Audio CD player
Not Because it can play PS1 games
Not Because it was made by Sony
Not Because its name was Playstation2
Not Because of its design
Not Because of the Dual Shock2

But because of the games it had to offer,
to play the PC games which require a high system and were available on PS2 (Maxpayne, Commandos, Deus Ex, Cricket).

The PS2 had all the games I had ever wanted. <I> besides RE </I>

[Ninjaa]

Awww.... Eternal Darkness still hasn't made the list. That's just a crime pure and simple. The game is nearly perfect in my mind. Much like you, I bought the GameCube for the games it had to offer. It has everything I need, except Silent Hill 2 (Coming to PC), and Xenosaga.

[Syed Fawad]

Eternal Darkness may be perfect for you, but there are a few factors which I don't like.

BTW there is a new competitor out there which I haven't tried yet, "FATAL FRAME". Know anything about it? I have found SH2 and now I have a choice b/w these two.

[Exophase]

I don't care that much about horror games but Fatal Frame, I'm told, is very good.

- Exo

[Ninjaa]

Hmmmm.... I never heard of this game before you mentioned it, so I had to look it up. I saw a few screenshots, and read a review. It doesn't really look all that appealing to me, to tell you the truth. It seems to be quite original, but sort of bland at the same time.

To tell the truth, it reminded me a bit of Luigi's Mansion but without the fun factor. (speaking of which, I should rent that game again and go for the best ending.)

Still, I can see where it would appeal to some people, but it doesn't look like a Silent Hill killer.

[Carnage]

the Q rules!its the best console out there,an gamecube+
a dvdplayer=so much fun!!!great games and watch dvds!!!!its
like 2in1!!!sadly i cant buy it....dont have enough money:cry:
sniff...

[Syed Fawad]

Ninja check this thread. Besides my few friends also told me that this game is really good.

http://www.ngemu.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22103

[Alias]

so now (getting back on topic) microsoft is investing money in a type of set top tv box integrated into a xbox (think TiVo w/ xbox capabilities) as well as working on the Xbox 2. They comment "We are still insanely committed to backing up the current xbox with stellar titles".

[Exophase]

Heh, Fatal Frame is like Luigi's Mansion... that's a keeper.

- Exo

[CD]

Yea, wtf? You can beat Luigi's Mansion in a couple of hours and never even look at it again.. Fatal Frame's concept alone is worth more than that.

You give GCN fans like myself a bad name.

[Exophase]

He gives Nintendo a bad name :p

- Exo

[Syed Fawad]

Who gives nintendo a bad name?

[Alias]

i think he means ninja does... and though he claims he views everything fairly, i think he's becoming a bit blinded by his fanboy-ism (ninja i mean... not exo).

[Syed Fawad]

Yup the guy trys to be beutral, but his inclination towards nintendo prevents him to. I am talking about Ninja.

[Ninjaa]

lol. I try.

I am not claiming to be an expert on the game, but I just said what the screenshots looked like, and reminded me of. It seriously reminds me of Luigi's Mansion, and that's what I said. I don't see where that's behaving like a fanboy.

I have said many a time that Silent Hill 2 was a fantastic game, and I will admit any day of the week that it far exceeds Luigi's Mansion in fun factor.

But from what I saw, Fatal Frame gets boring real quick (ala Luigi's Mansion), and has you going through a house looking for ghosts. (ala Luigi's Mansion). However, most reviewers I saw gave Fatal Frame a lower score than Lugi's Mansion. (not as much fun factor perhaps?)

Exophase, you have always seemed to be more anti-fanboy than anything else, which makes you take a position opposite mine regardless of whether I am right or not. I think it's debatable which of us is more biased.

[Exophase]

Show me one time where I've taken a position solely to oppose you without having something tangible to back up my case. Until then, your statement is meaningless. I can't help it that you say a lot of fanboyish things, man :p

- Exo

[Syed Fawad]

Enough fanboyism. I have just borrowed myself Fatal Frame and Final Fantasy X. This is bigtime. Both of these games made me jump out of my seat. Fantastic is an understatement. I've just seen the begining. I'll update you ppl after a couple of days.

[Ninjaa]

Final Fantasy X? I thought you didn't like RPGs?

Exophase, it isn't that you don't have anything to back up your opposing viewpoints, it's just that some of your reasons just seem very... contrived, and it's the 100% assurance that whatever I post in these forums will be opposed by you that forces me to assume that you will oppose me the next time too.

Btw, the speed of sound is faster in solid steel than gaseous air.

[Exophase]

Originally posted by Ninja
Final Fantasy X? I thought you didn't like RPGs?

Exophase, it isn't that you don't have anything to back up your opposing viewpoints, it's just that some of your reasons just seem very... contrived, and it's the 100% assurance that whatever I post in these forums will be opposed by you that forces me to assume that you will oppose me the next time too.

Btw, the speed of sound is faster in solid steel than gaseous air.

Heh, contrived.. well, I can't exactly say differently for some of the things you say ^_^ Yeah, I very well might oppose you, although I don't actually disagree with everything you say. At least we like the same kinds of games, to a pretty good degree, or something. :p

- Exo

[Ninjaa]

Yeah, your taste is a lot better than Syed's. hehe. I am still very much an old school RPG player though, while you seem to like the newer all FMV/No game kind of RPG. :P

[Syed Fawad]

Eh..........My first RPG: Final Fantasy X. I kinda enjoyed it but the battle system should be realtime; not turn based.

So far so good. I am playing this game for around 2 hours and have enjoyed every bit of it. Have just met Wakku, lets c what happens.

And me and Ninja DO have something in common. Survival horror.

[Exophase]

Originally posted by Ninja
Yeah, your taste is a lot better than Syed's. hehe. I am still very much an old school RPG player though, while you seem to like the newer all FMV/No game kind of RPG. :P

JOOC, what gave you that idea? I've beat tons of SNES RPGs...

- Exo

[wolfmaster]

The Xbox is crap PS2 is better even if the xbox has all the fancy stuff but sony are well known but Micrsoft i think has a bad name so the XBOX is crap

[Esturk]

The X-box is not a crappy system. It is very powerful. However most of the games are crap. The controller is also way to big for my tastes.

[wolfmaster]

I know all my friend at school say "ITS THE BEST THING EVER" but the game just suck becasue they copied PS agme like Burnout and other stuff

[The Vagrant]

Didn't I berate you on the other topic about the 'copying' deal? Let me try to make this more clear to your caliber of person...

PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT PORT

Any questions?

[Alias]

the only reason i would even consider buying an xbox is for the sega games, which look pretty good. But unfortunately, sega is not enough for me to justify the purchase.

[Syed Fawad]

Sega games? IIRC most of them are going to GC...

[Alias]

nah not panzer dragoon, crazy taxi or shenmue... dang it

[Ninjaa]

Crazy Taxi???? That game is one of the old ones for GameCube. (although I never did get around to playing it.)

Exophase, sorry, but your defense of the newer RPG games such as FFX had me thinking that you weren't much of an old school RPG player. My apologies.

Syed, if you think that realtime combat in an RPG sounds good, you should try Tales of Phantasia, or Parasite Eve. Both are great RPGs, although I think that Parasite Eve would be more up your alley because of its similarities to Survival Horror. But PLEASE play the first Parasite Eve before even looking at the crap that is Parasite Eve 2. You might be pleasantly surprised. (And yes, Parasite Eve is for PSX)

[Exophase]

Exophase, sorry, but your defense of the newer RPG games such as FFX had me thinking that you weren't much of an old school RPG player. My apologies.

Sorry if I said somewhere I liked FFX, I actually don't like it very much at all. I wish I waited longer to buy a PS2.. heheh ;) Although it's kinda my position to defend the underdog sometimes (like me defending XBox when I don't like it.. heh, bad Exo)

- Exo

[Alias]

Originally posted by Ninja
Crazy Taxi???? That game is one of the old ones for GameCube. (although I never did get around to playing it.)


actually i meant crazy taxi 3.

[Syed Fawad]

Crazy Taxi? could care less about it. It loses its fun and replay value and moreover you can get your own crazy taxi with cop chasing and blood and more madness in GTA3! crab a cabbie and press R3 and there you go mac ;)

The only game on Xbox which bothers me sometime is Shenmue3.

[Ninjaa]

Or you can press CAPS LOCK on the PC version to do the same thing. ;)

[Syed Fawad]

Hmmm.....I guess so; but again GTA4 is gonna be on PS2 soon :p

[Ninjaa]

Yeah, that's #1 on my list of games I don't care about. :P To tell you the truth, I don't think that I am ever going to bother finishing GTA 3, let alone another one with pretty much the same graphics and mechanics and a new location.

Having not played Shenmue yet, I think I can live without that too, but I would like to see it on GameCube where it belongs.

[Syed Fawad]

It belongs? Well shenmue is a great game. for GTA4; I am anxious about it. Even now whenever I load GTA3, I enjoy it.

[Ninjaa]

Sega supports GameCube more than any other console, so I figure that Shenmue belongs there, alongside Sonic, Phantasy Star, and Skies of Arcadia.

[Syed Fawad]

I heard that there are two teams within Sega like team sonic and team shenmue or something. I guess team sonic supports GC more. But I totally lack info on this.

[Alias]

"team shenmue" must be referring to Yu Suzuki's team... isn't that known as AM2 ?

[Ninjaa]

Team Sonic loves the GameCube, and devotes most of its time toward making Nintendo games. The rest are multiconsole, but Shenmue seems to be Sega's concession to MS. (Money does buy some things I suppose)

[Syed Fawad]

And that can very well be the saving point of XBOX. Shenmue is THAT good. Yup.

[Dr. Drizzay]

How can you not like GTA3. It's the only non-rpg I was actualling waiting for its release

[Syed Fawad]

You say GTA3? one of the reasons for me to get a PS2 plus GTA4 is due out in October. And if you r a WWE fan; two goodies are coming PS2's in that department.

[Ninjaa]

Originally posted by Dr. Drizzay
How can you not like GTA3. It's the only non-rpg I was actualling waiting for its release

Well, I have a copy of it for PC that was given to me, but I don't play it that much. (my friends do though). I find that the game is essentially just a novelty game that has somehow spawned 2 sequels. (maybe some executive sold his soul?). I find that the gameplay and plot is not enough to drive the game forward, and the action just gets boring after playing it for a few hours. It seems all cool at first when you steal a car and run over cops for a while, but after 50 chases, and 20 missions, you just find it to be repetitive.

As for GTA 4, it uses the same engine as GTA 3, only it's in a different city right? For me, there is ZERO attraction there.

[Drachenfels]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad

The PS2 had all the games I had ever wanted. <I> besides RE </I>

Then you obviously didn't want many games.

[OmniDistortion]

I just skipped down to the bottom of this thread, but didnt really pay attention to it much cause I knew this would happen really (+I dont really care what happens to the x-box good or bad)
I just so happened to cross by here...um... on accident...yeah
just skipped down and wanted to say that well ~ you guys cant seem to talk about the x-box or microsoft here!



It is very :topicoff: and..... I can tolerate it so... talk as much off topic as possible!

[M.I.K.e7]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad
I heard that there are two teams within Sega like team sonic and team shenmue or something. I guess team sonic supports GC more. But I totally lack info on this.

Sega has more than two development teams:

Sonic Team: Sonic, PSO, ChuChuRocket, ...

AM2: Shenmue, F355, Virtua Fighter

Hitmaker: Crazy Taxi, Virtua Tennis

Amusement Vision: Daytona, Super Monkey Ball

These are the ones I could think of without too much hassle, but you'll find more information on these pages:
http://www.sega.com/segascream/developers/home_developers.jhtml
http://dreamcast.ign.com/articles/095/095502p1.html
http://xengamers.com/sections/features/7746/3/

[Syed Fawad]

Originally posted by Drachenfels


Then you obviously didn't want many games.

Then obviously you don't know what I want. Just to tell you; I have a very very distinctive taste of gaming.

It depends on your definition of "Many". I wanted the Twisted Metal series, RE series, Smackdown series, EA Cricket, GTA series, Tekken series and more. And if you say that two of these series are avaialbe on PC, well I don't have that good of a PC you know and I had the chance of either updating my rig or getting a console. So, I bought a PS2.

After playing the games I wanted to play, I discovered some other good games. I am not a very big RPG fan but this FFX really impressed me and I don't know why some ppl don't like it. It is definetly an AAA title. Then I found out MGS2. After playing the Demo I borrowed this game and now today I have started it. It is definitely an awesome game. SO you say another better version will be released on PC of MGS2. I can bet it'll require a system that surpasses mine. So PS2 comes to the rescue again.

Then I found out about GT3 A Spec; which simply rox and recieved more points on IGN than any other game on any other console.

Then I found out about RE. That it is going to be GC exclusvie. So I edited my sig. Again I found out Silent Hill which can compensate the loss of RE very well. Not to forget Fatal frame; another survival horro.

And yup one more thing; I am no FANBOY, got it? And GC most probably the Q is next on my list of "consoles to be bought"

Till now I c no point in getting a GC for myself besides RE and I don't buy consoles for one game. May be till next year better games will be available and perhaps GC would be cheaper. Till then the PS2 can keep me more than busy.

Still if you think that I didn't want many games; I doubt your definition of many. Have a nice day ;)

[M.I.K.e7]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad

It depends on your definition of "Many". I wanted the Twisted Metal series, RE series, Smackdown series, EA Cricket, GTA series, Tekken series and more. And if you say that two of these series are avaialbe on PC, well I don't have that good of a PC you know and I had the chance of either updating my rig or getting a console. So, I bought a PS2.

At the time you bought the PS2 it obviously was the best choice for the games you wanted.

After playing the games I wanted to play, I discovered some other good games. I am not a very big RPG fan but this FFX really impressed me and I don't know why some ppl don't like it. It is definetly an AAA title.

I guess some people expected something different, maybe without random encounters.
The reason why I boycott it is the atrocious PAL conversion, which is a real joke, especiall since Square promised to make it better than the demo, which was bad as well.

Then I found out MGS2. After playing the Demo I borrowed this game and now today I have started it. It is definitely an awesome game.

When you are a fan of MGS you'll be shocked that you'll only be able to play Solid Snake for a very small part of the game, but it is impressive nontheless.

SO you say another better version will be released on PC of MGS2. I can bet it'll require a system that surpasses mine. So PS2 comes to the rescue again.

Yeah, one of the reasons why I have consoles now is that I'm fed up with upgrading the PC and there aren't that many decent PC games recently anyway.

Then I found out about RE. That it is going to be GC exclusvie. So I edited my sig.

But the GCN certainly has more than just Resident Evil...

Again I found out Silent Hill which can compensate the loss of RE very well. Not to forget Fatal frame; another survival horro.

Is Fatal Frame good? The reviews are a bit diverse...

BTW, there is also Alone in the Dark 4 for the PS2, which seems to be quite good. I have the DC version, and although I didn't have the time to play it really yet, what I saw looked quite good.

And yup one more thing; I am no FANBOY, got it? And GC most probably the Q is next on my list of "consoles to be bought"

Good choice ;)

Till now I c no point in getting a GC for myself besides RE and I don't buy consoles for one game.

Since you are into survival horror you should certainly get Eternal Darkness, which must be really great!
But you'll buy the console as soon as RE0 is out anyway ;)

[Syed Fawad]

I may buy the GC August next year. ;)

WOW, thats the longest affirmative reply I have seen :)

[M.I.K.e7]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad

WOW, thats the longest affirmative reply I have seen :)

Hey, I've learnt to accept that other people like different things...
but it was tough! ;)

[Syed Fawad]

You r a good learner, at least better than me :p

[M.I.K.e7]

That comes with age, I'm almost 11 years older than you...

[OmniDistortion]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad
It depends on your definition of "Many". I wanted the Twisted Metal series, RE series, Smackdown series, EA Cricket, GTA series, Tekken series and more. And if you say ~ blah blah ~

Just wanted to say all the GTA series are on PC and I know that RE and RE2 are ported to PC as well... The others I dont really keep track of (except for tekkan of course!)

[Syed Fawad]

Originally posted by M.I.K.e7
That comes with age, I'm almost 11 years older than you... :eek2: :eek:

Oh boy! that was a big one. I didn't even noticed

[Syed Fawad]

Just wanted to say all the GTA series are on PC

Sure sure. The PC just got GTA3 whereas GTA4 will be on PS2 soon. Moreover, if you read my post completely; My PC can't run GTA3 like on my PS2.

[OmniDistortion]

You are actually almost (yet only) a year older than me though Syed, interesting....

edit: We also seem to always have this posting battle around this time of night/day too, lmao

[Syed Fawad]

Originally posted by OmniDistortion
You are actually almost (yet only) a year older than me though Syed, interesting....



Why interesting? its the average age around here....

[OmniDistortion]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad


Sure sure. The PC just got GTA3 whereas GTA4 will be on PS2 soon. Moreover, if you read my post completely; My PC can't run GTA3 like on my PS2.

Ah, but what I really dont like is that Rockstar is releasing their GTA PC titles AFTER now instead of before (to which this idea I do not enjoy at all!)

[OmniDistortion]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad


Why interesting? its the average age around here....

I never bothered checking everyone's age till this thread was mentioned :yawn:

okay this has gone :topicoff: too far...really...

[M.I.K.e7]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad
:eek2: :eek:

Oh boy! that was a big one. I didn't even noticed

I noticed in several occasions that age doesn't really matter as long as there is a common topic to talk about.

I'm in a small local computer group and we meet monthly. One of the guys was about twice as old as all the others when he joined us a few years ago. Recently we were talking about jobs, and when I asked him if he got his dream job, he told me that he'll have it in just a few more years, meaning his pension! That was when I noticed again how old he really is, because in our normal discussions I simply didn't care.

[Syed Fawad]

Originally posted by OmniDistortion


I never bothered checking everyone's age till this thread was mentioned :yawn:

okay this has gone :topicoff: too far...really...

Yopu know what....I haven't checked myself that too, so I can be wrong you know :D

Ah, but what I really dont like is that Rockstar is releasing their GTA PC titles AFTER now instead of before (to which this idea I do not enjoy at all!)

Its because that GTA is a PS port on the PC, not a PC port on PS. Got it? Moreover, the announcement of GTA going PS2 exclusive came just a week before the GTA3 release of PC.

However, don't expect to c GTA4 on PC before Q2 2003. But again; GTA4 for PC will mean GTA5 for PS2 :p

[OmniDistortion]

oh poop I was thinking of Max Payne lmao they released that on PC before gaming consoles, you are correct about GTA1-3
I do have a PS2 although I prefer it on PC for 3 reasons
1:better graphix
2:my surround sound system wont go to waste
3: I like the controls a LOT better on PC for some reason...

[Syed Fawad]

Originally posted by OmniDistortion
oh poop I was thinking of Max Payne lmao they released that on PC before gaming consoles, you are correct about GTA1-3
I do have a PS2 although I prefer it on PC for 3 reasons
1:better graphix
2:my surround sound system wont go to waste
3: I like the controls a LOT better on PC for some reason...

1. Depends on your sys. You r gonna get **** with a system like mine :p

2. Not everyone has it. But I do and my PC and PS2 share the same stuff ;)

3. Hafta agree on this one but you get used to the DS2 after some while.

[Ninjaa]

Syed! I had no idea you were so young! I had always thought you were older than me.

But anyway, back on topic, the reason that many people hated FFX was because there wasn't anything really exceptional about the game. It was a mediocre RPG and nothing more. But being new to the genre, I can't fault you for thinking it was an AAA game.

Metal Gear Solid 2? Well, I will let you get a chance to finish the game, then we can discuss what I hated about it.

Silent Hill 2 is no replacement for Resident Evil 0,4,1, and Eternal Darkness, but if it makes you happy, do it. You can drool over GameCube screenshots until you get one. ;) You might be surprised at some of the games on my system.

[Syed Fawad]

RE 0,4,1 ? what does that mean? Sh2 is scarier, better looking than RE (CVX) but I still like RE more. Of course the RE on GC looks a lot better. And that can very well be the reason for my 2nd 128 bit console.

As for MGS2 goes. So far it has given me a couple of laughs. It is good so far but I haven't played too much of it. I am at the point where there is some kind of speech where you get 7 minutes of time limit to get the pictures. I'll play it from there.

As for SH2, this game sure gave me the creep of a lifetime. Specially that long long long long descending tunnel through the wall then a few jumps into deep deep holes.

I am at the point where tere is a cube with face on it in a room. I have to solve this one somehow. It seems quite illogical to me.

One question, (Is there a way to save Maria? I tried twice but she dies :( )

[M.I.K.e7]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad
As for MGS2 goes. So far it has given me a couple of laughs. It is good so far but I haven't played too much of it. I am at the point where there is some kind of speech where you get 7 minutes of time limit to get the pictures. I'll play it from there.

Oh, you are still on the Tanker...
Well, shortly after you get all the pictures you have a long and cool sequence (apart from the "la-le-lu-le-lo" line...), but after that you'll be in for some (probably unpleasant) surprise...

{SH2}
One question, (Is there a way to save Maria? I tried twice but she dies :( )

I think there is an ending where you leave with Maria, but I'd have to check what prerequisites there are to get that ending...

[Syed Fawad]

Dammit. Sometimes I don't like multiple endings. Branching storylines.....damn....I had to play this game again for sure.

[M.I.K.e7]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad
Dammit. Sometimes I don't like multiple endings. Branching storylines.....damn....I had to play this game again for sure.

Yeah, Silent Hill 2 should have 4 or 5 different endings.
Which ones did you get?

[OmniDistortion]

I reeeaaallly didnt like MGS2 I dont know why everyone liked it better than MGS...was it cause it was prettier? well screw graphix! I think ninja knows why this game wasnt that great (*cough* plot! *cough*cough*COUGH!* oh crap I need to call a doctor...)

[M.I.K.e7]

MGS surely has the far better story compared to MGS2!
I'd really like to have MGS with the engine of MGS2... MGS2 just has the better graphics and better controls, but otherwise MGS is far better.

It's also that the gamers were tricked by the demo and the trailers to believe that you get to play Snake all the time :(

[OmniDistortion]

ya know now that I think about it... I think I wanna play MGS again! That was a pretty cool game! (and when i think about MGS2 in comparison I kinda twitch unhappily)
The funny thing is I didnt emulate it like you should assume..
I played that whole game through on my original PSX and it was fuuuun.

[Ninjaa]

Syed, the cube puzzle in SH2 is the STUPIDEST THING EVER!!!!

I will give you a hint. There is no valid solution. There is no way to reason it through. You have to check the results for yourself whether you solved the puzzle or not. Being that there are only like 10 possibilities, it shouldn't take that long.

In MGS2, you are still in the cool part of the game. I almost envy you. It goes downhill from there, but where you are at, it's awesome.

Omni and Mike, I am glad that I'm not the only one who hated MGS2. I don't see how it could have been worse. I bought MGS for PC because I loved the game so much, and I have finished it a few times on PC in addition to the one time I finished it on real PSX hardware.

[M.I.K.e7]

Originally posted by Ninja
Omni and Mike, I am glad that I'm not the only one who hated MGS2. I don't see how it could have been worse.

I'm not far enough into the Big Shell episode (I guess the best thing about that part of the game is the intro music, and I just happen to listen to it at the moment) to say that I really hate it, but it might be the case when I see the ending, which is said to be really stupid, not to mention that the Dead Cell members are all a bad joke, and the Big Shell infiltration seems to be an exact copy of the beginning of MGS...

[Ninjaa]

...not just the beginning.... but that's another story. You will find out as you progress. The ending is by far the worst part of the game. It just decreases in quality exponentially as you progress. When the game looks like it is starting to improve again, they dash your hopes with more crap.

[M.I.K.e7]

Originally posted by Ninja
...not just the beginning.... but that's another story. You will find out as you progress.

I heard rumours...

The ending is by far the worst part of the game. It just decreases in quality exponentially as you progress. When the game looks like it is starting to improve again, they dash your hopes with more crap.

Simply great...

And it has too many long cutscenes:
Infiltration, walk a few steps, enter V*mp, walk a few steps, enter F*rt*n*, walk a few steps, enter P*t*r - wtf?

[Ninjaa]

You get used to it. (Let's not forget Mei Ling's replacement either)

[M.I.K.e7]

Originally posted by Ninja
You get used to it. (Let's not forget Mei Ling's replacement either)

Do you mean E.E. or Rose?

[Ninjaa]

Rose. I forgot her name for a moment.

[Syed Fawad]

I finally got the cuber puzzle solved. That was the worst thing I had seen. Then a BIG BIG BIG surprise! Maria? Oh man this gme is giving me bumps. I just killed that boos who seemed to have to swallowed a table. Anglea is acting odd. In fact everyone is acting odd in this game. Now I am at the hanging ppl puzzle. Pulling ropes? I'll c what I can do tonight.

[Ninjaa]

For that puzzle, I just pulled a random rope. As luck would have it, I pulled the right one. ;)

Angela was definately a good addition to the game. Subtle, but extraordinarily disturbing.

[Syed Fawad]

I passed it; the whole game. I got the "leave ending".

This game sure is disturbing. I mean the stroy was good. But if you think too seriously about it, you'll be depressed. It took me 8 hours to round it up. Now I'll try to go for the other ending. I would like to talk more about the end but need permissions for spoilers. ;)

[M.I.K.e7]

BTW, here is what you seem to have to do to get the Maria ending:

spend much time with Maria
don't let Maria be attacked
after meeting her in the park head off in the wrong direction back to the Blue Creek apartment until she objects
after being separated in the hospital go back to her and speak with her
try to enter the room with the dead Maria in the labyrinth several times
after the fight with the Pyramid Heads short-cut the memories of Mary


I don't understand all of the hints, but I hope you do.

[Syed Fawad]

Hmm, Now I'll check this ending. Question for Ninja; how far did u went in the game? The story is brought together in the last half an hour.

[Ninjaa]

You know the hotel room with the video? I just watched the video cassette and left the room when the game froze, thereby destroying my game.

I have read detailed descriptions on what happens in the ending when I thought there wouldn't be a PC or GameCube port, so I know what happens. (I think I would have got the leave ending).

I must also mention that I saw the last Maria scene via a movie someone made with a VGA Box. (With the two pyramids).

[Syed Fawad]

Oh boy that was creepy. Thats where James acts more like a Hero. He challanges the Pyramid Heads instead of just giving up his life.

OKay let me tell you what I made of it:


James loved her wife with his heart.
Wife fells victim to a horrible disease and death was certain.
Wife asks James to set her free from the pain.
James killed her.
Becomes mentally unstable or depressed.
Three years later recieves a letter signed by her wife.

Then it was all maria's game. She wanted to make James sorry for what he did. She wanted to punish James in different ways hence different endings.
However, in the "leave" ending James realizes the truth and kills his fears and fights back. In any other ending he is punished somehow. But the dog ending was a joke to be put in a serious game.

My question: Who was Maria? James fears? his sins?

In parts of games there were ususally two types of Silent hills. The hospital wasn't that bad when you get there the first time. Then it becomes a hell like place with nothing but blood and gore.
Same goes with the apartments and the hotel.
When your game hung it was then when the hotel had changed its looks. Its basement was filled with water. And blood was here and there.

The climax of the game was really awesome. ---James walking through a long hallway, listening to his final conversation with Mary. Simply classic ! ;)

[Ninjaa]

Damn, I wish I could have seen that. I really can't wait for this game to come to PC so I can play it again.

I am familiar with the two Silent Hills though. It was introduced in more striking detail in the first Silent Hill game. I did finish that game.

[M.I.K.e7]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad
Three years later recieves a letter signed by her wife.

That's up for debate because Laura says that she got a letter from Mary for her brithday, and that was only a few days before the game starts.
Either Laura was lying, or James unconsciously puts his wifes death farther away than it really is. If the latter is the case one reason might be that he feels guilty for her death, either because he couldn't help her or because he might even killed her.

This might sound a bit far fetched, but in Silent Hill (the place) people are confronted with their sins, and James ends up seeing the Pyramid Heads killing woman-like beings and he has to kill them himself as well, which kind of supports the idea that he killed his wife - most likely out of pitty - and didn't really get over it.

My question: Who was Maria? James fears? his sins?

Maria most likely is a projection of his sins as much as most of the other stuff you'll see in Silent Hill.

After all Silent Hill is a bit like the Dark Force cave in the Star Wars movie "The Empire Strikes Back": You'll find there what you take with you.

In parts of games there were ususally two types of Silent hills. The hospital wasn't that bad when you get there the first time. Then it becomes a hell like place with nothing but blood and gore.

You don't seem to know the first Silent Hill game for the PSX, which works with the same effects and was quite disturbing. If you can get hold of it you should do so. It surely looks dated, but it brings the town Silent Hill to yet another level, and you'll understand why it is so strange.
I don't want to mention too much, or I'll spoil it for you.

I probably spoilt Silent Hill for myself a bit, because when a friend showed it to me I wasn't really convinced of its quality. Some time later I checked out a plot guide and I noticed that the story has a depth that no other survival horror game comes close to, and I had to get the game.

EDIT: If you want to know more about the plot of Silent Hill 2 then check out this great guide:
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/silent_hill_2_plot.txt

[Syed Fawad]

Eh....Mike, the link ain't workin for me.

[M.I.K.e7]

Strange, I checked the link after I posted it and it worked, but it doesn't work for me now either...

Anyway, here is an alternative source for the Silent Hill plot guides:
http://www.dark-legacy.org/silent-hill/

[Syed Fawad]

OOOH MAM. This guy created all this stuff !

Really amazing. I never thought that a survival horror can have such a deep story. Great. This game simply rox.

And now I don't want to compare this SH to RE. These are two different things. I found the SH a little easy and short when compared to RE. Still I like RE....maybe because i don't like too much supernatural stuff.

This game sure gives an impression of "Hell on Earth"

Be scared ;)

[M.I.K.e7]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad
OOOH MAM. This guy created all this stuff !

Yup, and after his first plot guide he got hired by Brady Games and got to write the solution book for SH2.

Really amazing. I never thought that a survival horror can have such a deep story. Great. This game simply rox.

Indeed, it was really the story that sold the original Silent Hill game to me.

And now I don't want to compare this SH to RE. These are two different things. I found the SH a little easy and short when compared to RE. Still I like RE....maybe because i don't like too much supernatural stuff.

Sure, they are different, but that's good, otherwise we'd have just yet another Resident Evil which would be lame.

This game sure gives an impression of "Hell on Earth"

I think the first game even more so than the second one.
The demo movie for the first one starts with the words
What is happening to Silent Hill?
and ends with
Silent Hill is going to Hell!
I might not have got it literally correct, but that was the sense.

[Ninjaa]

The demo sounds good. I should try to find it sometime. I should also replay the game at some point, and get a better ending.

Syed, I agree with you completely that Silent Hill and Resident Evil shouldn't be compared. Whenever I am asked whether Resident Evil or Silent Hill is better, I never know what to say. Silent Hill is just creepy and storyline driven, but the gameplay is horrible (IMO). Resident Evil has a good storyline as well, and the gameplay is a lot better, but it doesn't leave you with the same feeling that Silent Hill does. (That game still haunts me.). In the end, I always have to give them both full marks.

[Syed Fawad]

Even now when I start thinkin about SH2, i get scared.

The scary thing about RE was that things happen all of a sudden. Like in CVX, the gods break through a window all of a sudden to give you a shock.

In SH nothing happens all of a sudden. You hear a static in the radio, you know something is there, the static increases, its coming close ......closer....closer ....AAAAAAAAAAAAAH

I was really scared when in the basement the Pyramid Head appeared. It creeped me out. I paused it and took deep breaths. ;)

Now I've started it again. Removed the grainy effect. The graphics looks a bit cleaner and visibility is improved a little. But the game looks a little less natural and a more "videogame" like RE.

It'll take time for me to end this one as I am also playing MGS2. So far I have disposed three bombs (Strut A,B, F).

So far I have found nothing bad about the game. In fact it is exciting till now. Mr. Pliskin helps a lot ;) Pliskin........ :D

When ever I want to end the game, I save it and jump over an edge. Its so fun to c Raiden fall in the sea :)

[M.I.K.e7]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad
Even now when I start thinkin about SH2, i get scared.

You pansy ;)

The scary thing about RE was that things happen all of a sudden. Like in CVX, the gods break through a window all of a sudden to give you a shock.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/1999/19990929l.jpg

In SH nothing happens all of a sudden. You hear a static in the radio, you know something is there, the static increases, its coming close ......closer....closer ....AAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Indeed, Resident Evil simply shocks you, while Silent Hill produces a mood of claustrophobia and paranoia by limiting the viewing depth and through ingenious use of sound effects and music and it also tries to disturb you and not to shock you.
I don't have enough experience with Silent Hill yet, but I assume that it's effects will be longer lasting, because you can get used to specific shock effects relatively fast.

Now I've started it again. Removed the grainy effect. The graphics looks a bit cleaner and visibility is improved a little. But the game looks a little less natural and a more "videogame" like RE.

That's what I assumed.

It'll take time for me to end this one as I am also playing MGS2. So far I have disposed three bombs (Strut A,B, F).

How long did it take you to find the bomb on the toilet? I didn't find it at first, was bored and started shooting the mirror for a change, and suddenly I saw it...

So far I have found nothing bad about the game. In fact it is exciting till now. Mr. Pliskin helps a lot ;) Pliskin........ :D

To quote a famous movie:
Call me Snake.
...
The name's Plissken.

When ever I want to end the game, I save it and jump over an edge. Its so fun to c Raiden fall in the sea :)

Strange, I haven't tried that yet...

[Syed Fawad]

Yup you can run over the sides where there no railings or barrier. The guy falls like an idiot. Snake calls him "kid" :D

[M.I.K.e7]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad
Yup you can run over the sides where there no railings or barrier. The guy falls like an idiot. Snake calls him "kid" :D

Of course I know that you can flip over ledges, but I haven't tried to make him fall yet, but you provided some nice inspiration ;)

[Alias]

hey snake fallis like an idiot too, plus u can make him trip down stairs (hardly good for his espionage act) which is pretty damn amusing too. Yeah raiden can trip down stairs too, so i guess really it's the player that's making the guys look like idiots. Haha you guys have such crude humor.

[Ninjaa]

Hiding in closets, humping the guards, and falling down stairs were my favorite parts in the game. I probably spent well over an hour humping the guards when I was playing it. (yes, I am very perverted.)

People watching me play were constantly disgusted.

[Syed Fawad]

Things you can do in MGS2. Anyone ever tried calling otacon in the tanker level when Snake is standing in front of that girly locker? Man! ppl even program these things :D :D:D:D

[Ninjaa]

I have heard about it, but I never actually tried when I was playing the game. (Although I did knock the locker doors off, and hump the posters. hehe)

[M.I.K.e7]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad
Things you can do in MGS2. Anyone ever tried calling otacon in the tanker level when Snake is standing in front of that girly locker? Man! ppl even program these things :D :D:D:D

And you won't even understand it fully without playing MGS because Otacon wet his pants before hinding in a locker in MGS, and that is what Snake mocks about.

[Syed Fawad]

Anyone tried the smooch? ;)

[Syed Fawad]

Originally posted by M.I.K.e7


And you won't even understand it fully without playing MGS because Otacon wet his pants before hinding in a locker in MGS, and that is what Snake mocks about.

I was talking about something else, when Snake stands outside the locker .......and.......well......couldn't say anything.............because......:rolleyes:

[M.I.K.e7]

Originally posted by Syed Fawad


I was talking about something else, when Snake stands outside the locker .......and.......well......couldn't say anything.............because......:rolleyes:

Oh, you mean the pinups ;)

[Syed Fawad]

ahem.......yes :)

[Alias]

Well i guess the programmers can't help but put perverted things into the games... i mean programming isn't really that much fun... haha , but at least it's not as bad as what disney did in their movies...

[Syed Fawad]

I guess Kojima was using the M rating to its most.

[Dr. Drizzay]

What Disney do in thier movies ?

[Alias]

they put all those perverted scenes hidden in their movies like Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, Little Mermaid... haha i think almost all of them.